Comments on: Tuxmaniac @ BMS, Bangalore on SFD http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/ Technology, Science, Education, Travel, Photography, Books and life . . . Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:20:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Priediepneorb http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/comment-page-1/#comment-54167 Priediepneorb Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +0000 http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/?p=12#comment-54167 Has read through at any forum about ????? And now has found also photos Has laid out them here http://floraufauna.in/nokia/image.jpg Look, please.. Has read through at any forum about ?????
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]]> By: Toufeeq Hussain http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Toufeeq Hussain Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:55:12 +0000 http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/?p=12#comment-12 Praveen: Regarding point 1, I was generalising on how students will be able to easily use their existing software projects on Linux. The technicalities of it need more detail and a generalized comment is not the right place to expand on it. But yes, you are right. Wine would be a better tool for Win32 binaries. I was talking about porting windows code to Linux for students. Point 3 and the rest, I'll take it offline. toufeeqh _at_ gmail _dot_ com Praveen:
Regarding point 1, I was generalising on how students will be able to easily use their existing software projects on Linux. The technicalities of it need more detail and a generalized comment is not the right place to expand on it. But yes, you are right. Wine would be a better tool for Win32 binaries. I was talking about porting windows code to Linux for students.

Point 3 and the rest, I’ll take it offline.

toufeeqh _at_ gmail _dot_ com

]]> By: Praveen A http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Praveen A Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:48:17 +0000 http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/?p=12#comment-11 tuxmaniac, Dinesh didn't come from no where, he was expected as I called him. toufeek, You are answering just to the points which tuxmaniac could list. The sessions were too much. Also we went there to talk to them about Free Software on Software Freedom Day not marketing Novell. 1. Mono - We are talking to a technical audience and we cannot get away talking crap, especially when talking to people who know more than what you talk, you have to talk about facts. Mono is a .Net implementation and you __CANNOT__ run VB or VC++ code in mono, you might want to use wine here. Your C# and VB.Net applications can be run using Mono. 2. Maybe it is true. Even I would love to believe it is true. 3. We didn't conduct the event to praise what is Novell's business model or belittle other Free Software projects. Read my blog where I have written more about http://www.pravi.co.nr/2006/09/16/software-freedom-day/ and especially what Atul wrote here http://comversations.com/2005/01/17/the-corporate-eyeball-trap/ You would know how painful it is when you spent a lot of effort to organise such an event and some strange guy come and hijack it. Even you agree marketing Free Software can be dirty, it need not be the case always but this was such a case and we don't want such things in our events. May be you can organise an event and let people do dirty marketing. Sorry I couldn't control myself here. I had a tough time controling myself there but I manage it because I thought the sudents got a different view and we learned the lesson not to allow anyone to hijack an event organised by the community. I had a tough time to keep Srikanth in the hall. But this is too much, some one trying to defend it. It is very easy to write this comment right? Did you help in any way in making this event happen? May be again I'm losing my temper. Well I can go on and on about it... The more I go the more I will have to be dirty as well so let stop here. tuxmaniac,
Dinesh didn’t come from no where, he was expected as I called him.

toufeek,
You are answering just to the points which tuxmaniac could list. The sessions were too much. Also we went there to talk to them about Free Software on Software Freedom Day not marketing Novell.

1. Mono – We are talking to a technical audience and we cannot get away talking crap, especially when talking to people who know more than what you talk, you have to talk about facts. Mono is a .Net implementation and you __CANNOT__ run VB or VC++ code in mono, you might want to use wine here. Your C# and VB.Net applications can be run using Mono.

2. Maybe it is true. Even I would love to believe it is true.

3. We didn’t conduct the event to praise what is Novell’s business model or belittle other Free Software projects.

Read my blog where I have written more about http://www.pravi.co.nr/2006/09/16/software-freedom-day/ and especially what Atul wrote here http://comversations.com/2005/01/17/the-corporate-eyeball-trap/

You would know how painful it is when you spent a lot of effort to organise such an event and some strange guy come and hijack it.

Even you agree marketing Free Software can be dirty, it need not be the case always but this was such a case and we don’t want such things in our events. May be you can organise an event and let people do dirty marketing.

Sorry I couldn’t control myself here. I had a tough time controling myself there but I manage it because I thought the sudents got a different view and we learned the lesson not to allow anyone to hijack an event organised by the community. I had a tough time to keep Srikanth in the hall. But this is too much, some one trying to defend it. It is very easy to write this comment right? Did you help in any way in making this event happen? May be again I’m losing my temper.

Well I can go on and on about it… The more I go the more I will have to be dirty as well so let stop here.

]]> By: Toufeeq Hussain http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Toufeeq Hussain Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:39:51 +0000 http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/?p=12#comment-10 I'm not defending the Novell guy here.. The way the Novell guy sold Free Software to the students is commendable. Leaving out the first point on Debian/Ubuntu which is Novell-marktg related (I don't blame him for that) , if you take the other two points and see it from the angle of a non-FSF aware student, FOSS will appear more revealing. Let me elaborate on the points: 1. Mono is a tool .. Most of the software students write today is written in VB or using the VC++ IDE. The programming-student's first question would be "How do I get my existing software to Linux ?" Think in that angle and you will understand why the harp on mono is necessary. 2. Microsoft has delayed Vista because of Novell Irrespective of the credibility of this statement, it's important. Look at how Steve Jobs makes fun of Vista when he compares it to OS X. Glib talk, Yes! ; is it required ? Yes! 3. Anything that is Free won't last long.. He is just giving credance to Novell's business model. Perfectly fine. Novell is not infringing on the GPL so why are you bothered ? After all our day-to-day jobs doesn't produce Free Software. Some of the jobs in Novell do produce Free software. :D Ok, back to point one.. I could comment on it and justify it but you have a hanging comment there which gives no context on what the original statement conveyed regarding Debian/Ubuntu. Talking about Free Software is easy as one can always pull in the "philosophy" argument. Marketing Free Software is a tough job and at times dirty. I’m not defending the Novell guy here..

The way the Novell guy sold Free Software to the students is commendable. Leaving out the first point on Debian/Ubuntu which is Novell-marktg related (I don’t blame him for that) , if you take the other two points and see it from the angle of a non-FSF aware student, FOSS will appear more revealing. Let me elaborate on the points:

1. Mono is a tool ..
Most of the software students write today is written in VB or using the VC++ IDE. The programming-student’s first question would be “How do I get my existing software to Linux ?” Think in that angle and you will understand why the harp on mono is necessary.

2. Microsoft has delayed Vista because of Novell
Irrespective of the credibility of this statement, it’s important. Look at how Steve Jobs makes fun of Vista when he compares it to OS X. Glib talk, Yes! ; is it required ? Yes!

3. Anything that is Free won’t last long..
He is just giving credance to Novell’s business model. Perfectly fine. Novell is not infringing on the GPL so why are you bothered ? After all our day-to-day jobs doesn’t produce Free Software. Some of the jobs in Novell do produce Free software. :D

Ok, back to point one.. I could comment on it and justify it but you have a hanging comment there which gives no context on what the original statement conveyed regarding Debian/Ubuntu.

Talking about Free Software is easy as one can always pull in the “philosophy” argument. Marketing Free Software is a tough job and at times dirty.

]]> By: Soumyadip http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2006/09/18/tuxmaniac-bms-bangalore-on-sfd/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Soumyadip Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:03:36 +0000 http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/?p=12#comment-9 I simply cannot believe you didn't take this opportunity to take the guy to the cleaners and create a good impression of Debian and Ubuntu. You are losing your charm young man. :P C'mon, here was a golden opportunity to nail one of Novell's loser Netware guys and publicly question the commitment of such people to Free software and its ideals. Bleh, you are turning into a sissy, or were there other considerations at work ? I simply cannot believe you didn’t take this opportunity to take the guy to the cleaners and create a good impression of Debian and Ubuntu. You are losing your charm young man. :P C’mon, here was a golden opportunity to nail one of Novell’s loser Netware guys and publicly question the commitment of such people to Free software and its ideals. Bleh, you are turning into a sissy, or were there other considerations at work ?

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